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My scheduled backups are starting to accumulate. I was under the impression that when a new Partition or Incremental backup was performed, the earlier backup would be deleted.? If this is not the case, should I be deleting the older versions.? If backups continue to accumulate my external hard-drive will soon become full. Can someone enlighten me please.?

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#1

Surely someone can answer this question. Perhaps someone from Acronis could comment. I have searched the Manual and can't get any help. Perhaps I have missed it.?

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Hello Nefat,

Thank you for your post. I will definitely assist you with this issue.

I will need to take a look at your backup settings to get a better picture. Usually, the default clean up settings offer a way to get rid of older backups, but maybe in your case your backup size is much larger and the default clean up settings do not apply properly.

Please create a screenshot of this option in your program, a screenshot of your backups on your external hard drive and kindly send me this report which will allow me to check the your hard drive sizes.

Just in case you need immediate assistance you can always contact our Support team directly.

If you have additional questions, please let me know.

Thank you.

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Thankyou for your offer to help as my old brain is having difficulty. "The default cleanup settings" do appear to meet my needs. I presume with these setting I can choose the time of day for these backups.?
I propose deleting all I have a present and start again. If you could guide me through the procedure of setting 'the default cleanup settings' I would be grateful.

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Nefat,
What version of TrueImage Home are you using?

Here are some helpful training aids from Acronis. Create a sample task and click on the Backup schemes options & look at all the choices. Before anyone can assist, they would need to know some of your backup needs. Such as:

1. When you perform full backups, what is to follow next--is it an incremental; or a differential or another full.
2. Do you want to keep the first original full and have have it deleted., etc.
3. How many backup chains do you wish to retain.

13656: Acronis True Image Home 2011: Backup Schemes
http://kb.acronis.com/content/13656#

13450: Acronis True Image Home 2011: Disk and partition backup
http://kb.acronis.com/content/13450#

13456: Acronis True Image Home 2011: File backup
http://kb.acronis.com/content/13456

13474: Difference between File Backups and Disk/Partition Images
http://kb.acronis.com/content/13474

1536: Difference between Full, Incremental and Differential Backup
http://kb.acronis.com/content/1536

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I am using TI 2011. I thought I had to keep the initial full backup and it couldn't be deleted.?
I am just a usual computer user and just want to have a backup should my internal hard-drive die.
I thought an initial full backup once a month followed by an Incremental backup every two weeks.
I don't want my 1TB external HDD to become full. Any suggestions that would fit those needs please.?
I am willing to change these backup requirements if it will make things easier.?

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With reference to the above, can you please detail a simple backup solution for my needs please.?

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Netat,
I will respond later but until then, you might find this post helpful.
Look at the last example and give some thought as to how many backups you wish to retain.

http://forum.acronis.com/forum/16295#comment-49070

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Nefat,
As you might imagine, my examples may not match your needs but here are a few suggestions. Based on your comments of wanting a monthly full and an incremental every two weeks. There are numerous ways for you to set this up so this is a guide. You mentioned you would accept changes so this changes the frequency.

1. One change I would suggest is that you consider using differentials rather than incrementals as the differentials are not dependent upon other differentials. You can read my prior links for more info about the two types.

2. Create one task and set it to create a backup every two weeks.
(Alternately, you could set it to weekly and have 1 full plus 3 differentials

3. Set your backup types to custom/diffential with the conolsidation/cleanup/retention parameters as per my illustration below.

With a backup every two weeks, after the elapse of the 25 weeks , you would have 4 chains plus the first original full. A chain equals 1 full plus 2 differentials.

a. Parameters set so the first original full is kept and not subject to deletion.
b. The next new. chain (5th) would begin and when completed would replace chain1.
c. The next new chain (6th) would begin and when comnpleted would replace the oldest chain which was originally chain 2, and so on

So this is what would happen. Name of backup= Nefat_backup-

week 1 =1st full not subject to deletion.    Nefat_Backup-.tib
week 3 = 1st full for chain 1.       Nefat_Backup-(1).tib
week 5 = 1st diff for chain 1       Nefat_Backup-(1)2.tib
week 7 = 2nd diff for chain 1       Nefat_Backup-(1)3.tih

week 9 = 1st full for chain 2.       Nefat_Backup-(2).tib
week 11= 1st diff for chain 2       Nefat_Backup-(2)2.tib
week 13= 2nd diff for chain 2       Nefat_Backup-(2)3.tih

week 15= 1st full for chain 3.       Nefat_Backup-(3).tib
week 17= 1st diff for chain 3       Nefat_Backup-(3)2.tib
week 19= 2nd diff for chain 3      Nefat_Backup-(3)3.tih

week 21= 1st full for chain 4.       Nefat_Backup-(4).tib
week 23= 1st diff for chain 4       Nefat_Backup-(4)2.tib
week 25= 2nd diff for chain 4       Nefat_Backup-(4)3.tih

On week 27 The next new chain (5th) would begin and when comnpleted would replace the oldest chain marked (1)

On week 33, the next new chain (6th) would begin and when commpleted would replace the oldest chain marked (2)

And the repeat goes on.

 

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Thankyou GroverH for your detailed assistance which I very much appreciate.
I have a couple more questions if you don't mind please.
I can't see how to set the recommended backup to be performed every two weeks. In the "Schedule your operation" window it does not provide for a two-weekly backup, only Weekly or Monthly. Can you explain how I set it up for two-weekly please.?
Also, am I correct in assuming that each of these backups is Validated automatically.?
Once again, thanks for your help.
Patrick.

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I think I may have woken up.
I presume that I cannot set this up to run, say, every second and last Sunday of the month. I would have to put the dates in for the month, which would not allow backups always on a Sunday of each month. This is no great hassle but just curious if I have the correct interpretation.?

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I don't have time right now to respond but check in later.
Your're right. Acronis does not offer a every two weeks schedule. I just assumed and you know the difinition of assume.
But, you can use the Windows Scheduler and create only one Windows scheduled task and configure the Windows task to run every 1st and 3rd week on a day (any of the 7 week days) and time of your choice. So it is possible for you to schedule one Windows Task Schedule to run every 1st and 3rd Sunday or every 2nd and 4th, etc. In the meantime, you can be looking at this posting about how to use the Windows Scheduler but we will have to use a different method to create a dual schedule.

http://forum.acronis.com/forum/14935#comment-45074

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Thanks for your prompt reply. I won't bother with the Windows Scheduler. Cheers.

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Upon further examination, it appears that the Windows Scheduler will schedule a backup every 2 weeks as you wanted. Hopefully, this will satisy your needs. If my comments or examples are not clear, let me know and I will attempt to clarify.

1. Yes, the backup can be validated at time of creation but you will need to modify the backup settings. Be sure the validation option is checked plus you must undo the monthly valiation schedule so the schedule is stopped. Refer to the attachments.

2. Open TrueImageHome 2011 and create you backup task. You already know the settings for the number of backups you want create and retain.. You want the Acronis task to be non-scheduled as the task will be run by the Windows scheduler.

3. After the task is created, edit the task by clicking on the operations tab and click on the option to create a desktop shortcut. This will place a shortcut on your desktop.

4. Right click on the desktop shortcut and select properties. The shortcut will open with a Windows displaying the target address of the task/script. This address will be highlighted.

Place your mouse pointer inside the address window and Right click and click on Copy. Click ok to close the Window. The task/script address is now contained in your clipboard. This clipboard data will need to be pasted into your Windows Scheduled task.

5. Next will be to create the Windows Scheduled Task. You should be able to access the Scheduled Task from inside the Control Panel.

Details on how to create the Windows Scheduler task is illustrated in attachments.

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Attention: Note that TI is using a new program (TrueImageLauncher) to launch its shortcuts. Now, when you launch a shortcut via the desktop or Windows Scheduler, it acts the same as if the program had been launched from within the GUI. This now means that TI is aware of the new backups and included in any consolidations.

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Nefat,
You will probably find it beneficial to upgrade to the new build 6574 with its fixes of backup consolidation-scheduling.

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I haven't tried this, but wouldn't setting a Monthly schedule in TIH2011 to run every 2nd Saturday (for example) get you close to a fortnightly schedule?

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GroverH, I have followed your suggestion and have build 6574 installed.

ColinB, I have just set it up for the 1st and 15th of the month and that will suit me ok. I just hope it works after reading some of the posts. Thanks.

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Coliin wrote:
I haven't tried this, but wouldn't setting a Monthly schedule in TIH2011 to run every 2nd Saturday (for example) get you close to a fortnightly schedule?

Absolutely! Sure it would.

I need to get my eyes examined. This must be one of those "can't see the forest for the trees" because I looked for such an option and did not see it which is why I suggested using the Windows Scheduler. I am embarrassed at such an ovesight--especially because I looked more than once. A thumbs down to me.

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Having installed build 6574 the window comes up stating that this is a trial version lasting 30 days. I have a registered and bought copy. Can I just ignore this or will it cease to operate in 30 days. Am I getting frustrated with all of this. LOL.

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Actually Grover, it took me some time to realise that might be the answer, as it defaults to every 3rd day of choice, I was looking for weekly options, then an electron or two slapped me in the face and my mind whirled into action!

@Nefat,

There are several posts here about the 'trial' problem.

I think there are two ways around it (I assume here that your copy of 2011 was originally an upgrade version).

1. Click on Activate (I don't have it in front of me at the moment, so I think this is from the front panel that asks you if you wish to go to the main screen or from the help menu) and enter the serial number.

2. Uninstall it (export any tasks you have made before uninstalling), then re-install entering the two serial numbers it will request - again assuming you had a previous version installed on your PC and 2011 was an upgrade copy.

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Thanks for the advice. I really don't think I should have to go through this. I think Acronis should sort it out for me. They are the ones who asked me to update to a new build. I will send them an e-mail. I am beginning to wish I had never seen this program.

Can you tell me what happens if the computer is not switched on for a scheduled backup.? This could happen during holidays etc. Will Acronis just skip the missed scheduled backups and carry on when the computer is next switched on.? Appreciate you help in these matters.
Patrick.

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As far as the PC not being switched on, it will just attempt to run the task when it is next switched on.

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Colin B wrote:

As far as the PC not being switched on, it will just attempt to run the task when it is next switched on.

Thanks Colin, I thought that would be the case, but with this programme anything could happen. Cheers.

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GroverH,
Sorry to trouble you again but I am still having troubles.
I set up the schedule as you suggested but I cannot get it to run automatically. I have pressed "backup now" to make sure my external drive is working ok. It does a backup ok. I am not sure how to tackle this now.
It looks like I may have to do a manual "Incremental" backup every two weeks, then start doing some deletes when my HDD is getting full, but this really defeats the purpose of having a programme that should be able to do automated backups. I can't really see what, if anything, I am doing incorrectly. Any suggestions please.?

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If possible, would you post an attachment showing your Custom backup schemes setting.

My approach at this point would be to create a new task pointing to a new storage folder and monitor the progress of the new task. As space is needed on the drive, manually delete whatever you can so the new backups will continue without interruption. You could set the number of backups to just a few so you could see if the actual deletion is really occurring based on the revised number you are testing. Any chance you using Differentials rather than Inc. Acronis recommends using Diff's when doing partition backups as a Diff only needs 1 diff plus the base backup in order to be restored; whereas, when restoring an incremental, all prior incrementals must be good and are restored. Bedtime now.

I am not completely certain of the scheduling in use here. This is a monthly schedule and it could mean that backups only occur on the second Sunday of each month. The Windows scheduler could be more reliable.

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Hi, Thanks for prompt reply once again. I did mean to say "Differential". I have set up my backup scheme as you previously suggested. I have made it for the 1st and 15th of the month. If all goes well it should automatically backup on Wednesday of this week. I will see what happens. Please see my attachments. I am fairly sure I have set it up correctly and have not missed anything. Fingers crossed.

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If you wish Nefat, you could export your task and PM it to me, I can then import it in and see if I get the same problem.

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Colin B, Thanks for your help. I am not sure what you mean by 'export your task'. Can you explain please and give me some clues as to how I do this. I will be happy to accept you assistance.

Are my attachments above not of any assistance.?

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Nefat,

I misread your post slightly, I thought you had made the alterations and were still having the problem. Your screenshot does show the main option you've chosen. If it fails, then there might be some other selection that has been made that causes it to fail, in which case your tasks would be useful in working out if that is indeed where the problem was.

Click on the Tools And Utilities option and yoy will see a heading on the bottom right hand side - Backuo settings transfer - click on Export backup settings.

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Nefat,
Referring to your "Backup Schemes" attachment. As I interpret your settings, you are providing for the accumulation of backups but no removal of any after they have been created which will eventually create a full disk.

Part 1:
Edit your backup task & backup schemes settings.
Click on the "turn on automtic cleanup"
Match your settings of what I have posted in post #8.

a. Checkmark the option "Store no more than x recent version chains. You fill in the x with whatever number of complete chains you wish to keep. I used 4 simply as a starting point so you could exercise some control and eventully determine how many chains you wish to retain.

b. Whether you want to checkmark "do not delete the original" is your choice. I would recommend that you do but it is your choice.

c. Edit your schedule and click on "Advance Settings" Verify that the last setting is the action you want if a backup is missed. Your choice. This is preset to checked but you can change it (if needed) to your choice.

Part 2:
You can have the schedule you want (every other Sunday) if you set the TI task to "do not schedule" and then create your schedule in the Windows Scheduler as illustrated in post #13..

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#30

Hi GroverH, I hope you are not getting sick of me, but here I am again.
I originally had the scheme set up as you suggested but in my playing around when it didn't backup automatically I changed some of the settings.
I have now set it up again according to you suggestions.
Would you please have a look and see if I now have it correct.
I have made the backup for the 1st and 15th of the month and that will meet my requirements.
I am not sure what I have to do in "Advanced Settings" I can't follow your comments
"Verify that the last setting is the actiuon you want if a backup is missed"?

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Yes, the backup scheme matches my suggestion.
The advanced image is in the wrong area. I am referring to the Scheduling page where you select the 1 and 15.

Under the Schedule advanced settings I wanted you to check. If your computer is powered down during the time a backup is scheduled, what action do you want Acronis to take once you power up again. If the item is checked, a backup will immediately start and the missing backup will have a replacement made. If the item is unchecked, Acronis will take no action and the backup is not replaced. Many people want the missing backup and others don't want to be bothered at bootup time as they have other users for their computer planned. This is your choice. I just wanted you to be aware of this setting as it hidden and few people are aware of its existence.

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#32

I have learnt something else. I didn't know that existed and I have left it checked. Just hope the backup starts on the 1st December. Fingers crossed eh.?

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#33

My backup scheme wants to change after setup.
I have the scheme set up ok but when I go back to check at a later date it has reverted again.
After setting up the scheme I just click on "OK". Is there something else I should be doing please.?
See attached. The first picture shows the correct setup. The second is before I click on "Turn on Automatic clean up" and the third shows how it has changed to what it was before I set up the scheme. I suppose there is something that I am not doing to make sure it retains my settings.?

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#34

Unfortunately for the user as well as Acronis, the build 6574 is forgetful. It forgets things like cleanup settings.

For some reason, TI is only forgetful when edits are performed. It seems if you create a new task with the correct settings, things function much better--just don't edit 6574. Hopefully the next build will have better memory.

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#35

OIC. I will not touch the edit and see how the next backup performs in a weeks time. Cheers.